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Some nice cars made this list.
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Nice to know we have 165 fewer Hearses on the road! LOL

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People condemned to death a 1998 BMW Z3? a 1991 M3??? 205 El Caminos
(don't tell ED)? 121 Corvettes? 3 Excaliburs? More Mustangs than
Tauruses??? A 1985 TVR 280i? 2 2008 Tecstar Foose F150s? 2 2006 Roush
F1590s? 5 Porsche 944s? A 1997 Rolls Royce Continental? A 2006 350Z?
What is wrong with these people?
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David Lieb wrote: " People condemned to death a...."

Uh, ya, sure, OK, well.... AND I suppose the pair of Town and Countrys by
Maserati and all of the limos? Believe all that and you will.... Oh,
well, you get the picture.

It was back in July that even the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration admitted that there was widespread fraud going on, with some
of the "clunkers" just making a U-turn right back onto the roads again. And
just today an interesting story on the failure of the giveaway program that
will actually end up consuming more gasoline and putting individual
Americans further into debt: a debt that they cannot afford.
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<< 205 El Caminos (don't tell ED)? >>

Doesn't bother me David [but thanks for 'concern'<G>],
'83s - '87s - junk yo start with <BG>!!! BTW, I got 207?!?

The Aston Martin (newish) did tho. Shame.

But I DID stumble across an interesting site from the list
when I did a Google for the last vehicle listed = " allace
Environmental" !?!?! Ended up at Wallace Environmental Testing
Labs, Inc. in Texass. Found the info on this page:

wallacelab.com/AutoImports.htm

to be interesting [have to use your 'back' button a lot<F>].

It equals "why NOT to import vehicles" <VBG> !!!!

Me
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Paul Asgeirsson wrote:
>> Some nice cars made this list.
>> cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf
> Nice to know we have 165 fewer Hearses on the road! LOL

It's not the hearses that bother me, it's the 165 bodies that were
still in them.

--
Kent McLean
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I saw one of the Corvettes that were traded in here in Milwaukee. It was
VERY used.

Chris

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People condemned to death a 1998 BMW Z3? a 1991 M3??? 205 El Caminos
(don't tell ED)? 121 Corvettes? 3 Excaliburs? More Mustangs than
Tauruses??? A 1985 TVR 280i? 2 2008 Tecstar Foose F150s? 2 2006 Roush
F1590s? 5 Porsche 944s? A 1997 Rolls Royce Continental? A 2006 350Z?
What is wrong with these people?
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--- On Tue, 9/22/09, Kent McLean <(email redacted)> wrote:
> It's not the hearses that bother me, it's the 165 bodies
> that were
> still in them.

Kent,

Actually, that was the "Cash for Corpses" program when the oil companies got Cheney into office.

Ron
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> It's not the hearses that bother me, it's the 165 bodies that were
> still in them.

In Chicago they'd still only need one grave
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There are some cars on there that did not meet the requirements, ie, Ford
Aspire? Hyundai Accent? Those cars got better than 18 combined rating.
How did the dealership and the auditors let those slide through?

The saddest one we crushed was a 2002 Range Rover, although we also crushed
two really clean Jeep Cherokee Classics and an 88k DeVille. I'm also
wondering how a 2008 Suburban could be so used up as to make crushing for
$4500 made economic sense?

David Riker

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> Some nice cars made this list.
> cars.gov/files/official-information/trade-in-vehicles.pdf

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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, David Riker <(email redacted)> wrote:
> There are some cars on there that did not meet the requirements, ie, Ford
> Aspire? Hyundai Accent? Those cars got better than 18 combined rating.
How
> did the dealership and the auditors let those slide through?
>

I was wondering the same thing ... After further review I think the
key to that question is on the 3rd line of the PDF file:
"As submitted, not necessarily reviewed or approved"
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Even the fiberglass was rusty?

Paul A

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> I saw one of the Corvettes that were traded in here in Milwaukee. It was
> VERY used.
>
> Chris
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: Spridgets
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad
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> People condemned to death a 1998 BMW Z3? a 1991 M3??? 205 El Caminos
> (don't tell ED)? 121 Corvettes? 3 Excaliburs? More Mustangs than
> Tauruses??? A 1985 TVR 280i? 2 2008 Tecstar Foose F150s? 2 2006 Roush
> F1590s? 5 Porsche 944s? A 1997 Rolls Royce Continental? A 2006 350Z?
> What is wrong with these people?
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David Riker wrote: " I'm also wondering how a 2008 Suburban could be so
used up as to make crushing for $4500 made economic sense?"

And you believe it was destroyed, too? Dollars to donuts it is still on the
road.




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To: WFO Herb; Wedge List; Spridgeteers; Ed's Spridgeteers
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad

There are some cars on there that did not meet the requirements, ie, Ford
Aspire? Hyundai Accent? Those cars got better than 18 combined rating.
How did the dealership and the auditors let those slide through?

The saddest one we crushed was a 2002 Range Rover, although we also crushed
two really clean Jeep Cherokee Classics and an 88k DeVille. I'm also
wondering how a 2008 Suburban could be so used up as to make crushing for
$4500 made economic sense?

David Riker

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Subject: [Spridgets] Sad


> Some nice cars made this list.
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Looks like the Post Office finally made some money!!




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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:49:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, David Riker <(email redacted)> wrote:
> There are some cars on there that did not meet the requirements, ie, Ford
> Aspire? Hyundai Accent? Those cars got better than 18 combined rating.
How
> did the dealership and the auditors let those slide through?
>

I was wondering the same thing ... After further review I think the
key to that question is on the 3rd line of the PDF file:
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I could not agree more about putting people further into debt than they
already are...

Article from Dave Ramsey:

With all the buzz about Cash for
Clunkers, itbs easy to think that it was a great way for people to get a
better set of wheels. But was it really? No way! Cash for Clunkers was simply
a way for broke people to buy cars that they really couldn't afford. It was a
bad idea on multiple levels. But before digging into that, letbs take a
little history lesson.

About a decade ago, a fair housing program was
started, called a sub-prime lending market. The idea behind it was that
everyone bneededb to own a homebincluding broke people. The government
decided to start a program to reinvest in communities, which allowed pretty
much anyone to borrow money to buy a house. Lending companies charged high
interest rates, causing already struggling families to go even further into
debt.

Basically, this was a program designed to encourage broke people to
buy houses. Most people didnbt even know it existed until it unraveled and
became the number-one cause of our recent recession. The government took those
stupid loans back and securitized them, which created the financial mess last
fall. Helping broke people buy houses didnbt turn out to be a great
government program. Guess what? Helping broke people buy brand-new carsband
now home appliancesbwill turn out just as bad.

The Cash for Clunkers
program was designed exactly for people who should not take advantage of the
program. You trade your $2,000 clunker in for a brand-new, shiny $20,000 car,
and the only way you can afford it is with a high-interest payment. That just
means you really couldnbt afford it to begin with. Doesnbt this sound like
the sub-prime mortgage problem all over again?
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From: Robert Evans <(email redacted)>
To: Spridgets <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
3:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad

David Lieb wrote: " People condemned
to death a...."

Uh, ya, sure, OK, well.... AND I suppose the pair of Town
and Countrys by
Maserati and all of the limos? Believe all that and you
will.... Oh,
well, you get the picture.

It was back in July that even the
National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration admitted that there was
widespread fraud going on, with some
of the "clunkers" just making a U-turn
right back onto the roads again. And
just today an interesting story on the
failure of the giveaway program that
will actually end up consuming more
gasoline and putting individual
Americans further into debt: a debt that they
cannot afford.
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Mail From: "Robert E. Shlafer" <(email redacted)>

Actually didn't this start with Carter, doubled-down upon by Clinton in the 90's and enforced upon by Janet Reno/Jaime Garelick intimidating banks by way of threat of Federal Audit as Obama in his role as an ACORN attorney sued banks who refused to have anything to do with NINJA loans/mortgages????

Cap'n. Bob '60 :{)


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From: Edward Perez
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:35 AM
To: Robert Evans, Spridgets
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad

I could not agree more about putting people further into debt than they
already are...

Article from Dave Ramsey:

With all the buzz about Cash for
Clunkers, itbs easy to think that it was a great way for people to get a
better set of wheels. But was it really? No way! Cash for Clunkers was simply
a way for broke people to buy cars that they really couldn't afford. It was a
bad idea on multiple levels. But before digging into that, letbs take a
little history lesson.

About a decade ago, a fair housing program was
started, called a sub-prime lending market. The idea behind it was that
everyone bneededb to own a homebincluding broke people. The government
decided to start a program to reinvest in communities, which allowed pretty
much anyone to borrow money to buy a house. Lending companies charged high
interest rates, causing already struggling families to go even further into
debt.

Basically, this was a program designed to encourage broke people to
buy houses. Most people didnbt even know it existed until it unraveled and
became the number-one cause of our recent recession. The government took those
stupid loans back and securitized them, which created the financial mess last
fall. Helping broke people buy houses didnbt turn out to be a great
government program. Guess what? Helping broke people buy brand-new carsband
now home appliancesbwill turn out just as bad.

The Cash for Clunkers
program was designed exactly for people who should not take advantage of the
program. You trade your $2,000 clunker in for a brand-new, shiny $20,000 car,
and the only way you can afford it is with a high-interest payment. That just
means you really couldnbt afford it to begin with. Doesnbt this sound like
the sub-prime mortgage problem all over again?
________________________________
From: Robert Evans <(email redacted)>
To: Spridgets <(email redacted)>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009
3:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad

David Lieb wrote: " People condemned
to death a...."

Uh, ya, sure, OK, well.... AND I suppose the pair of Town
and Countrys by
Maserati and all of the limos? Believe all that and you
will.... Oh,
well, you get the picture.

It was back in July that even the
National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration admitted that there was
widespread fraud going on, with some
of the "clunkers" just making a U-turn
right back onto the roads again. And
just today an interesting story on the
failure of the giveaway program that
will actually end up consuming more
gasoline and putting individual
Americans further into debt: a debt that they
cannot afford.
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No, not even close.


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Robert E. Shlafer <(email redacted)>
wrote:
> Actually didn't this start with Carter, doubled-down upon by Clinton in the
90's and enforced upon by Janet Reno/Jaime Garelick intimidating banks by way
of threat of Federal Audit as Obama in his role as an ACORN attorney sued
banks who refused to have anything to do with NINJA loans/mortgages????
>
> Cap'n. Bob '60 :{)
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From: "Robert E. Shlafer" <(email redacted)>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:44 AM
To: "Edward Perez" <(email redacted)>; "Robert Evans"
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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Sad

> Actually didn't this start with Carter, doubled-down upon by Clinton in
> the 90's and enforced upon by Janet Reno/Jaime Garelick intimidating banks
> by way of threat of Federal Audit as Obama in his role as an ACORN
> attorney sued banks who refused to have anything to do with NINJA
> loans/mortgages????
>
> Cap'n. Bob '60 :{)
>
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50 years from now some idiot will still be blaming Clinton for something
that happened the previous year.
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> 50 years from now some idiot will still be blaming Clinton for something
> that happened the previous year.

And crediting him for things that were done by the previous
administration as well.
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I first heard the term "ninja" loan a week ago at a conference. It may have just been out of the loop, or maybe it's because I don't watch Fox news. But I ask curious if there is a real reason for this term, ie a long standing acronym. Otherwise it seems like thinly veiled racism by whomever (Fox?) coined the phrase.
I make this statement because, for years the word "ninja" has been used by folks now in their 20s and 30s to replace the other "N word" in casual conversation and while singing along with music. And the word sounds similar too. If there is some other meaning to this phrase please correct me. But all the same, keep this meaning in mind.
Drew
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Sent: Sep 23, 2009 8:23 AM

No, not even close.


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Robert E. Shlafer <(email redacted)>
wrote:
> Actually didn't this start with Carter, doubled-down upon by Clinton in the
90's and enforced upon by Janet Reno/Jaime Garelick intimidating banks by way
of threat of Federal Audit as Obama in his role as an ACORN attorney sued
banks who refused to have anything to do with NINJA loans/mortgages????
>
> Cap'n. Bob '60 :{)
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